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HYPO - that was my typo, it is HYPER and thanks for the info I will pass it on. He just does whatever the vet says thinking its the right thing to do... he means well. I do make sure the can food is the lowest protein I can find, but that dry food says 33%. She also throws up ALL the time, especially after eating the dry food - he says she gorges herself and its a symptom of the thyroid problem?! I have no knowledge of cats. She had 2 sisters - 1 had to be pts due to kidney failure and the other due to inability to control bladder when she started to urinate everywhere and vet could not do anything for her or figure out why.
 
dspch911 said:
HYPO - that was my typo, it is HYPER and thanks for the info I will pass it on. He just does whatever the vet says thinking its the right thing to do... he means well. I do make sure the can food is the lowest protein I can find, but that dry food says 33%. She also throws up ALL the time, especially after eating the dry food - he says she gorges herself and its a symptom of the thyroid problem?! I have no knowledge of cats. She had 2 sisters - 1 had to be pts due to kidney failure and the other due to inability to control bladder when she started to urinate everywhere and vet could not do anything for her or figure out why.



if she is still eating a lot, her hyperT meds may need adjusting, or is it early in her treatment still? a well controlled hyperT cat doesn't need to eat more. They lose wt and are ravenously hungry before the meds kick in, so if she's been on the meds for awhile and is still very hungry, she may need her dose adjusted.

that said, many cats will "inhale" dry food too fast often without chewing it, and then regurgitate shortly afterward. This isn't true vomiting, it's just more like spitting up, where the food hasn't been digested at all and will come back up the same way it went down. It's perfectly ok for her to eat this, just leave it out. It seems gross to us, but it's normal for a cat.

until her hyperT is controlled, she should probably be given as much food as she wants to eat, in small meals so she keeps it down. Really encourage him to give her canned only, it will help her bladder so much!
So sorry to hear about her sisters, it sounds like the problems are genetic with these girls, so sad.

Really, feeding just canned food, regardless of the amount of protein is the BEST thing he can do for her.
Lower phosphorus would be good, just check those charts and you can find many foods that are lower in phosphorus.

the special diet canned formulas will say they have lower magnesium, and when they lower magnesium, the phosphorus content goes down as well, so that can be an easy way to find a lower phosphorus food.

when was her last blood work done? if you can get a copy of those, I can help you understand what they mean and which ones are the most important for a cat with urinary tract and possible kidney issues.

she's really on the young side, actually, for any serious kidney problems, those usually don't show up til a cat is older. But with poor genes, it's possible to have serious problems sooner.

It really sounds like it's more of a problem with her bladder and not her kidneys though- and there is NO reason to restrict protein in a cat who only has bladder problems, not true kidney involvement.

Encourage him to read the info in the links, and esp draw attention to the part about PAIN relief. Bladder issues are extremely painful and if she continues to have these issues, she really needs pain meds.


there's a lot to know about it, and the reasoning behind it all but once you know the basics, you can ask the vet the important questions and advocate for the best care for her, the same as we may need to do for our rats.

when you think about it, vets can't possibly know EVERYTHING there is to know about every single condition in all the different species of animals they treat

even for humans, we have specialists because the issues for each organ system are so vast, no one doctor can know all there is to know, so even your best vet will have gaps in what they know.

I don't know, it helps me, at least, to have a basic understanding of a health problem when talking to a doctor, human or animal. you often don't even know what to ask otherwise

for example, I have atrial fibrillation. after doing more research I've learned that the aspirin I"m on will NOT prevent the kind of stroke caused by afib, so I need to call my doctor and find out about a different med,
like, um, right now LOL
 
She has been on the meds the 4 years I have known her and they have adjusted afew time when her lab work has been off. Not at home so I cannot give you the name of the med or dose at this time. No change in the med just up or down on the dose. Her last labs were a few months ago. Yes, that is exactly what she does with the dry food mostly it comes up looking the same.
 
Has the vet tried doing subq for her? See if that helps her at all? My cat was in complete renal failure a few years ago and what brought her back to me was the subq fluids. I did this myself daily for a couple of years. It helped her a great deal.
 
Hey, sorry I haven't been on the forum for a few days....

And... thanks everyone for the information! It does make things clearer. :)

Now.. Mika has been fed meals twice a day since I first got him, and he drinks out of his water bowl throughout the day..
I'm not sure I'd be able to feed him canned food only, as I compared prices of canned food vs dry food and it's really expensive to feed canned food... but I've been thinking that maybe I could feed him a can in the morning and then for supper, he would get good quality dry food (thanks for the list, VNB)? Do you think this would be a good idea?

He has been getting canned food every once in a while, but I always thought of it as a special treat more than anything else. Petunia, you definitely changed my mind about canned foods... but I'm just a bit worried about him gaining weight on wet food.. :S
Are your cats chubby at all? :p


And I'd be glad to show off his cute funny face! :p
Mika.jpg

This picture was taken shortly after first getting him. I haven't been able to get a decent picture ever since! LOL
The collar he is wearing was so big that we had to bend the excess and pass it through the loop twice, hahaha
He fits into it nicely now. :)
 
just a quick reply for now, but cats are much more likely to become overwt on dry food

My first cat became obese on dry food, and she ate less than the amount recommended on the bag. I don't recall exact amounts because this was literally two decades ago, but it's very unusual for a cat to become overwt on canned food alone. You'd have to be giving them many many cans per day.
One easy way to put a cat on a diet is to simply switch them from dry food to all canned food.



dry food is very calorie dense. it doesn't fill cats up as much as wet food does, because there's no water in it, and cat don't sit down and eat a bit of dry and then take a drink etc.
the average serving size for dry food is only about 1/4 cup unless the cat is very large or very active.
cats are much more likely to be overfed dry food because when you put it in the bowl, it doesn't look like much and its super easy for them to eat it fast and beg for more.
don't use the guidelines on the bag- they want you to buy more so the amount they recommend you feed is almost always WAY too much!

you need to check the calories and then check your cats' wt and activity level.
most indoor only cats (not kittens or pregnant/lactating females) need only about 200 calories per 10lbs of wt. and less as they age

most cheaper canned foods have roughly that many calories per can so it works out well.
the higher quality foods can have more calories but usually not a lot more- I'll check the charts later to see what the range is or you can check any of the ones I've given links for above.

you can get Friskies canned cat food as well as 9Lives and some store brands for around 50 cents per can. Depending on how active your cat is and what he weighs, one can per day is usually sufficient so even if you paid a dollar per can of cat food, that's only $30 per month

I'll be back later with an online conversation about an 18mos old male cat who died because he was eating just dry food, I just need to ask the ppl who posted about it on the cat board if it's ok to share it.

I have heard far too many stories of cats, mostly male but some female as well, who had painful urinary tract blockages and ended up either dying or nearly dying and with THOUSANDS of dollars in vet bills, to try to fix a problem that could have been avoided by feeding their cat a mostly wet or only wet diet.

so i'll be back later tonight or early tomorrow with more info for you.

my 14 yr old cat eats one small can of Fancy Feast per day (I get it at Walmart for about 55 cents per can now I think)
Now that I have two cats, I'll be giving them each half of a 5.5 oz can of Friskies cat food and if they are still hungry later, they can have a small can of Fancy feast split between them.

if your cat is a dry food addict, you could give him mostly canned food and use a teaspoon of dry as late day treat.

ok I"m really going now LOL
 
Figured I should chime in on this thread too!

Went one step further than canned and made the ultimate shift to RAW, and I've been feeding my to cats that for the past three years exclusively.

I spent a lot of time researching foods before adopting my kitties and essentially everything that has been said about dry vs canned is true, but I'm surprised raw wasn't mentioned...
We follow the RMB diet outlined by Dr. Tom Londsdale with a homemade ground mixture mixed it (http://rawmeatybones.com/), this is the ultimate in dental care. Although you should still brush intermittently as well.
In a addition to the dental benefits with RMBs you get low odour eliminations (both pee and poop), it literally has to be smelled to be believed. You can always just feed a ground raw mix if you're worried about them choking but you won't get the dental benefits and you should brush his teeth more often.

If you need more links on raw feeding just PM me and I'll send you my list.

As per feeding canned food, Petunia was correct in mention a lot of the cheapy canned cat food brands are actually better than most dry foods however if you guys have a Loblaws type franchise out there on the East coast that sells PC Finicky Cat check that out because not only is it crazy inexpensive most of the varieties are grain-free without the addition of starchy constituents.

I know its been said over and over again but Water is really key in cat nutrition.
I used to work for a vet clinic and every second cat who came in either had diabetes, hyperthyroid, or a urinary tract infection... or it was just obese in general. Now cats can get fat on any food (I've seen fat raw fed cats and fat kibble kitties), but the other issues listed above I will say is mostly due to a dry food diet. Between the dryness of their diet and the amount of carbohydrates they're consuming many cats are becoming ill due to the food, and their people don't even know it.

Lastly (this is off-topic a bit) I know it hasn't been tested enough but I think ferrets would highly benefit from a raw-based diet. If one looks at the list of illnesses affecting pet ferrets (ie diabetes, hyperthyroidism, adrenal disease, cancer etc) its quite similar to the issues cats are facing and I think a proper raw-based diet help ferrets live longer, healthier lives.
 
sausage4ever, thanks for the info and your input!

I would love to switch him to raw(I did do some research and decided I would prefer raw over canned, and canned over dry), but I've looked at prices.. and it's just not do-able for our income. :(


I do have some concerns about Mika though... since he's been on canned food, I've noticed that his fur is a lot less shiny than before and he seems the lose more fur. Am I doing something wrong? :(
 
mia9_28 said:
sausage4ever, thanks for the info and your input!

I would love to switch him to raw(I did do some research and decided I would prefer raw over canned, and canned over dry), but I've looked at prices.. and it's just not do-able for our income. :(


I do have some concerns about Mika though... since he's been on canned food, I've noticed that his fur is a lot less shiny than before and he seems the lose more fur. Am I doing something wrong? :(


nope, you're not doing any thing wrong- I noticed the same thing with my girl Nell, when I took her off dry and put her on canned.

you can try adding some oil to his food, like fish oil or any of the supplements, even flax seed oil. Some cats seem to need this to keep their coats in good shape.

My girl gets sardine oil- it was one of the oils in the dry food she used to eat- it had anchovy oil, sardine oil and salmon oil,
I tried salmon oil plain, she wouldn't touch the stuff :gaah: that was an expensive experiment :?

I can't find anchovy oil any where but did find the sardine oil and she likes that, she gets about a teaspoon a day. She only likes it by itself on a plate, if I mix it with her food, she wont' touch it :roll:

kinda like those kids who won't eat their potatoes if the carrots were touching them, I guess :lol:
 
Petunia said:
mia9_28 said:
sausage4ever, thanks for the info and your input!

I would love to switch him to raw(I did do some research and decided I would prefer raw over canned, and canned over dry), but I've looked at prices.. and it's just not do-able for our income. :(


I do have some concerns about Mika though... since he's been on canned food, I've noticed that his fur is a lot less shiny than before and he seems the lose more fur. Am I doing something wrong? :(


nope, you're not doing any thing wrong- I noticed the same thing with my girl Nell, when I took her off dry and put her on canned.

you can try adding some oil to his food, like fish oil or any of the supplements, even flax seed oil. Some cats seem to need this to keep their coats in good shape.

My girl gets sardine oil- it was one of the oils in the dry food she used to eat- it had anchovy oil, sardine oil and salmon oil,
I tried salmon oil plain, she wouldn't touch the stuff :gaah: that was an expensive experiment :?

I can't find anchovy oil any where but did find the sardine oil and she likes that, she gets about a teaspoon a day. She only likes it by itself on a plate, if I mix it with her food, she wont' touch it :roll:

kinda like those kids who won't eat their potatoes if the carrots were touching them, I guess :lol:

Coconut oil, can't say how enough about great coconut oil is.
Check out the video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... D8doiVSLDw

Petunia you give a lot of great advice. :) (I just wanted to add this as another option to try. Since animals are picky and what works great for one won't always work for another, I figured the more viable options thrown out there the better.)
 
I've been feeding all my cats dry food for years. They were all outdoors though because my mom hates litter boxs. Now that I'm on my own and my babies are indoors, this conversation has gotten me worried. My almost two year old male has tarter problems so I have to brush his teeth at least once a week. He eats hard food, friskies. I also have a 5 month old kitten that is on hard food. I am a student and prices have to be fair or else I can't afford it. They both also drink a minimum of one full bowl of water a day. I fill the bowl two to three times a day depending on how active they are that day.
If petunia could pm me and help me figure stuff out that would be awesome:)
 
VNB said:
Coconut oil, can't say how enough about great coconut oil is.
Check out the video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... D8doiVSLDw

Petunia you give a lot of great advice. :) (I just wanted to add this as another option to try. Since animals are picky and what works great for one won't always work for another, I figured the more viable options thrown out there the better.)


thanks VNB
hmm I hadn't heard this about coconut oil. I know it's being promoted for people a lot lately but haven't really looked into why that is just yet.
I used to buy coconut oil, which is actually a solid, to use in my homemade cosmetics
so after adding it to soaps and creams, the idea of ingesting it seems funny to me. :shock:
I do get coconut milk sometimes to cook with because I can't digest cows milk.

I'll have to look into that, thanks for the link and all. I did get one red flag on the video though, it seemed to have the name of a manufacturer, I only took a really quick look though so perhaps I'm mistaken...

I don't generally take the word of someone who is going to profit from a product, without some independent research that backs up their claims. :wink:
 
Raw is actually the cheapest options for all my pets... works out to be about 30 cents/lb from a new supplier.
And my two cats together eat a half pound/day, you do the math!! It's so inexpensive I'm able to feed my dogs some too so his meals are kibble in the morning and RMBs at night.

I chose this supplier because they supply wholesale directly to the human food market not specifically for pet food.
 
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