Thoughts :
Female - overweight Russian Dumbo, will be 4yrs old in July.
Presumed PT- Treated successfully with cabergoline for almost a year now.
Spayed at 2 months old - 2 weeks after I adopted her and her sister from a good breeder. I helped with the spay of all our adoptees over at Animal Control.
I am sure that the entire ovaries and stalks were taken out - 2 small ovaries with 1 inch long ends ( So a Y shape) Not sure if the uterus was taken, nor my anatomy that well.
I do daily body checks and this came came up Sat during day- only noticed Sat Afternoon as I was changing in new hammocks. She had a wet hind end and notably weak walking. Took her out to rinse her , assuming she had finally gotten to the incontience stage or dragged her butt through pee- and saw this dark red mass- which looked like a menstrual type blood clot, dark red shiny- it was attached so stopped rinsing her, Not sure if vaginal or rectal as in too much panic to take pics or look at it clearly. ( though after some research later that day it looked like a rectal polyp.)
Took her immediately to the closest ER with rat vets ( about hr away ) the exotic on staff was on her way out the door but looked at it and relayed via the vet I saw- saying it was rectal and with a stalk ( about the diameter of a pencil eraser head) It sounded like she was saying it was slightly prolaped rectal tissue.
( she was already on Baytril/doxy but based on her weight I had been under-dosing)
She added on Cipro , told to change bedding ( its fleece) twice daily - To call them Monday or sooner if anything changed. They would schedule surgery for Tues when the senior rat vet was in.
Late Sunday night / early Monday ( 2AM) I had her out in a towel to syringe in a 12 hr med- she's has been giving me grief over taking her meds,
my husband usually does meds and is so fast he doesn't even need to take them out of the cage but he'd been away.
Anyways- She was squirming about - being a brat and suddenly the mass burst-
8 or so poops that came immediately, The first few poops were covered in dark cherry colored blood goo - then about 5 drops of bright red blood followed. I collected it all including the shirt I had on which was bloody - Put in freezer bag and fridge for vet inspection. Placed white doggie piddle pads on clean trays in her CN so I could see if any additional bleeding was happening. None has.
Called vet Monday morning - told what happened- Asked how poop pee appetite was ect. All fine. Scheduled a long consult with possible rectal exam/ surgery yesterday (since she was doing fine and my husband would be home by then) Samples from the burst send to pathology
Vet did an very thorough 1 hr exam- Lungs eyes-ears- nose- full body check- no masses felt anywhere. * she'd gained another 15 g but I'd been hand feeding goodies, feeling badly for her. This was not a fluid gain which was my first worry.
Only thing he could see was her rectal tissue was swollen ( about double compared to her sister's who accompanied us) He agreed that she likely has PT, though it's well treated, She was doing head butting thing- the only PT symptom at this time. HED expected at this age, her sister has slight HED as well.
We talked options at great length - and decided since she looked completely fine for a rat her age other than being overweight. That rather than putting her under for a rectal exam- pulling some of the tissue out, we would wait on the Histology / Pathology report since that might give us our answer w/o having to put her under.
The swelling has resolved completely as of this afternoon. Day 6 since it started.
The bedding has been white Tshirts so I could see any bleeding or color -
Changed today ( only on the corner lining edges of the place they pee on) Possibly some very light red?? But stupid me has been gave chopped up peeled cherries and a bit of beets in their dinner the last few days.
They are both overweight - we lost 3 cage mates at Xmas I've had 4-7 for so long now and its been hard for me to figure what 2 rats should getting volume wise. He did think that a diet would be in order. I find it hard to balance good elderly weight with my older gals - when they do get ill they lose weight so fast.
They have had NO CONTACT with other rats- anything that could have had rat contact is frozen for 4 days to a week before allowed in their room.
I've looked up every possible thing - Couldn't find any Pictures of what genital Myco looks like and whether it would clot like that. I did find one pic of a polyp that did look similar - couldn't find out anywhere whether they can burst?
UC Davis has a paper out that shows slide of possible things that I send to the vet. I attached it as I thought it was a useful article.
There is something called Tizzers disease that could match but the fact that it was really only 24 hrs that it was there has me stumped.
My guesses are Polyps , some sort of tumor , parasites, Abscess, genital myco infection, Uterine Horn infection? Skin staph infection and Tyzzerâs Disease.
Any thoughts ?
Mom of Wiggles and T-
Past pals : Heart rat Sophia, Nikka, Junebug, Bango, Bear, Gigi, Lola, Molly, Dobby, Leia and Harper.
Female - overweight Russian Dumbo, will be 4yrs old in July.
Presumed PT- Treated successfully with cabergoline for almost a year now.
Spayed at 2 months old - 2 weeks after I adopted her and her sister from a good breeder. I helped with the spay of all our adoptees over at Animal Control.
I am sure that the entire ovaries and stalks were taken out - 2 small ovaries with 1 inch long ends ( So a Y shape) Not sure if the uterus was taken, nor my anatomy that well.
I do daily body checks and this came came up Sat during day- only noticed Sat Afternoon as I was changing in new hammocks. She had a wet hind end and notably weak walking. Took her out to rinse her , assuming she had finally gotten to the incontience stage or dragged her butt through pee- and saw this dark red mass- which looked like a menstrual type blood clot, dark red shiny- it was attached so stopped rinsing her, Not sure if vaginal or rectal as in too much panic to take pics or look at it clearly. ( though after some research later that day it looked like a rectal polyp.)
Took her immediately to the closest ER with rat vets ( about hr away ) the exotic on staff was on her way out the door but looked at it and relayed via the vet I saw- saying it was rectal and with a stalk ( about the diameter of a pencil eraser head) It sounded like she was saying it was slightly prolaped rectal tissue.
( she was already on Baytril/doxy but based on her weight I had been under-dosing)
She added on Cipro , told to change bedding ( its fleece) twice daily - To call them Monday or sooner if anything changed. They would schedule surgery for Tues when the senior rat vet was in.
Late Sunday night / early Monday ( 2AM) I had her out in a towel to syringe in a 12 hr med- she's has been giving me grief over taking her meds,
my husband usually does meds and is so fast he doesn't even need to take them out of the cage but he'd been away.
Anyways- She was squirming about - being a brat and suddenly the mass burst-
8 or so poops that came immediately, The first few poops were covered in dark cherry colored blood goo - then about 5 drops of bright red blood followed. I collected it all including the shirt I had on which was bloody - Put in freezer bag and fridge for vet inspection. Placed white doggie piddle pads on clean trays in her CN so I could see if any additional bleeding was happening. None has.
Called vet Monday morning - told what happened- Asked how poop pee appetite was ect. All fine. Scheduled a long consult with possible rectal exam/ surgery yesterday (since she was doing fine and my husband would be home by then) Samples from the burst send to pathology
Vet did an very thorough 1 hr exam- Lungs eyes-ears- nose- full body check- no masses felt anywhere. * she'd gained another 15 g but I'd been hand feeding goodies, feeling badly for her. This was not a fluid gain which was my first worry.
Only thing he could see was her rectal tissue was swollen ( about double compared to her sister's who accompanied us) He agreed that she likely has PT, though it's well treated, She was doing head butting thing- the only PT symptom at this time. HED expected at this age, her sister has slight HED as well.
We talked options at great length - and decided since she looked completely fine for a rat her age other than being overweight. That rather than putting her under for a rectal exam- pulling some of the tissue out, we would wait on the Histology / Pathology report since that might give us our answer w/o having to put her under.
The swelling has resolved completely as of this afternoon. Day 6 since it started.
The bedding has been white Tshirts so I could see any bleeding or color -
Changed today ( only on the corner lining edges of the place they pee on) Possibly some very light red?? But stupid me has been gave chopped up peeled cherries and a bit of beets in their dinner the last few days.
They are both overweight - we lost 3 cage mates at Xmas I've had 4-7 for so long now and its been hard for me to figure what 2 rats should getting volume wise. He did think that a diet would be in order. I find it hard to balance good elderly weight with my older gals - when they do get ill they lose weight so fast.
They have had NO CONTACT with other rats- anything that could have had rat contact is frozen for 4 days to a week before allowed in their room.
I've looked up every possible thing - Couldn't find any Pictures of what genital Myco looks like and whether it would clot like that. I did find one pic of a polyp that did look similar - couldn't find out anywhere whether they can burst?
UC Davis has a paper out that shows slide of possible things that I send to the vet. I attached it as I thought it was a useful article.
There is something called Tizzers disease that could match but the fact that it was really only 24 hrs that it was there has me stumped.
My guesses are Polyps , some sort of tumor , parasites, Abscess, genital myco infection, Uterine Horn infection? Skin staph infection and Tyzzerâs Disease.
Any thoughts ?
Mom of Wiggles and T-
Past pals : Heart rat Sophia, Nikka, Junebug, Bango, Bear, Gigi, Lola, Molly, Dobby, Leia and Harper.
