Tempting things to help wear down teeth?

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    Mine really enjoy "foot toys" or "talon toys" made for medium to large parrots.
     
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    Not to say pumice is good or bad, but apparently the hard food is enough to wear teeth down. It's true what they said about rats keeping their own teeth down by chewing the cage and toys, as well as grinding them together. Maybe if you fed only mashes, you might possibly need extra hard material? Another thing, pumice being very porous, it would not wear teeth as fast as a denser material (like a bone). As long as they don't fill themselves eating more of the pumice to affect their regular diet, it should not cause nutritional deficiencies. For example, kids who eat too much candy causeing them to skip meals :)
     
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    Our fuzzies enjoy chewing on cardboard boxes, wood gnaws in varying shapes and colours, and willow twig "pretzels." (They also like curtains and my husband's bathrobe.) One of our boys wasn't into chewing for the longest time, but his teeth never suffered because he is a bruxmuffin.

    Emergent/Zen Rattery? You might want to ask some of the members here about the woman who runs it, if you haven't already.
     
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    You wrote that she has a degree in Anthropological science. That degree has nothing to do with knowledge regarding proper nutrition, nor anything pertaining to pet rats.
    If you are interested in human nutrition check out nutritionfacts.org - the doctor provides links to the original peer reviewed articles.

    As Jorats mentioned, rats do not need to chew anything in order to keep their teeth worn down, however they do enjoy chewing various things and thus, many of us do provide them with various items and chew toys.
     
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    What doctor? Do you know this doctor personally? Sorry SQ, I like you a lot but as I was repeatedly told this is was a forum to find accurate information, I must regretfully correct you. NutritionFacts is one of those "Pseudoscience" sites my first professor at University told us we'd be failed if we ever quoted from . Furthermore, the Anthropological Science program at U of T offers a lot of courses in Nutrition (see atatched screenshot) .
     

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    Sorry... but nutritionalfacts.org is full of the best information anyone can find on nutrition. Dr Greger makes NO profit on his hard work showing us the studies on what is best for us to eat. I'm very disappointed to hear that a professor calls peer reviewed studies as pseudoscience...someone is extremely ignorant and teaching ignorance to his students. Wow. No wonder the truth doesn't come out. No wonder the big corporations are making so much money on the sheep mentality.
     
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    Thank you for the info. The Anthropology program at U of T looks very interesting, however after reading through every course listed I do not see any that teach current, research based, nutrition. I may have missed something although, as there is a wealth of courses and some are related to health and diet from an anthropological perspective. http://calendar.artsci.utoronto.ca/crs_ant.htm
    As for the site nutritionfacts.org if your professor does not like it then you certainly would not want to quote it as you would get a bad mark - but you might find some of the info and references to be of interest.
    Edit: Actually you would be unlikely to quote him as he is a secondary source and it is always best to use primary sources, thus the peer reviewed journal articles he references would be better sources when writing a paper.

    Quote: "Dr. Greger is a physician, New York Times bestselling author, and internationally recognized speaker on nutrition, food safety, and public health issues. A founding member and Fellow of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine, Dr. Greger is licensed as a general practitioner specializing in clinical nutrition. He is a graduate of the Cornell University School of Agriculture and Tufts University School of Medicine. In 2017, Dr. Greger was honored with the ACLM Lifestyle Medicine Trailblazer Award and became a diplomat of the American Board of Lifestyle Medicine."

    All info provided on his site, nutritionfacts.org, is referenced by peer reviewed journal articles by scientific researchers. This allows people to go back and read the original articles for themselves. Edit: I appreciate how he presents the information in an easily understandable manner for the average person and also how the primary sources are referenced so that I can easily go read them for myself.
     
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    Honestly I'd never given it a second thought, and maybe nutritional anthrpology was/ wasn't a separate course, but recovering nutritional profiles form bone evidence is part of both social and evolutionary anthro disciplines.
     
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    What the deal with Emergent ? All I have seen is eye rolls and hints and "pm so-and-so" but nothing concrete. Emergent -Ratopia came up in a Facebook search for rescues, and all positive. I posted last week but nobody on this forum has helped me at all, so I'll ask plain and simple. Is there something I should be aware of/risky before contacting Emergent/Ratopia for rats for my daughter?
     
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    Yes, there probably are. Many of our members have known her or known of her for more then 14 years.
    Messaged you
     
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    Weird SQ. I didn't understand any your private messages. They just didn't make sense.

    Our vet who recommended Emergent Rattery to us is a repeat client over 15 years. Dr Gerald couldn't say enough good about Emergent, and so we adopted 2 sisters of the boys he just bought for his daughter. He said she is the most intelligent educated and ethical of even the cat and dog breeders he's seen, and even though he has the vet degree, she has the better natural aptitude for animals. That was very generous and humble of him. I sensed that as a devoted family man and recommended clinic, he would never get pets for his children from someone he couldn't vouch for 100 percent. Dr. Gerald is the kindest and down to earth vet I've ever met.
     
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    No there isn't. Emergent Rattery was beyond highly recommended by my vet (who has 7 rats form her), and 3 other vets on her website. He says the best breeders he knows get gossiped about the most.
     
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    This is a rat rescue forum.
    The rules state that this forum "was also created to promote rats needing good homes, rats in rescues and shelters." On this site adopting rescue rats is encouraged, while buying rats from stores and breeders is discouraged. That makes this site extremely unique and it is the only rat rescue forum I am aware of.

    The rules for this site state: "We also ask that breeders not advertise on this board."

    Please stop promoting a breeder on this rat rescue site. There are many other places on the internet where you can promote her.
    Personally I find the promotion of any breeder on this rat rescue forum to be offensive.
    In addition, the particular breeder being promoted was banned from this forum by the administration and the founder of this forum.
     
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    This is a rescue forum. We do not advocate breeding. Please stay on topic of rat care. Thank you.
     
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