Caring for a sick rat

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  1. Apr 15, 2018 at 10:05 PM #21

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    From what I've read if it is a PT, steroids can work even if it's quite progressed, and even if not you're doing everything you can so try not to blame yourself.
    Yes, I have only heard of a few rats living to be 4 years old so that is a great sign.
     
  2. Apr 16, 2018 at 2:12 AM #22

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    So sorry you are going through this :( my thoughts are with you and Mishi, I hope she has a turn around very soon. She is very lucky to have you.
     
  3. Apr 16, 2018 at 2:48 PM #23

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    The new vet was shocked how she was treated... He also confirmed that it is impossible to diagnose heart disease in rats with only stethoscope. He was shocked how unprofessionally her Baytril was injected... He was afraid to make blood tests because she is very weak and little dehydrated. In his first opinion it isn't the heart, he thinks it may be something neurological, which from what I know suits with PT :( But he don't want to start any treatment until he makes some tests. He told us to stop the Vetmedin and all other drugs that were previously prescribed.

    Today they put he on oxygen for 2 hours. He and give her food (Fresubin Original Vanilla) and tell us to try feding her 6 to 10 times per day about 1ml of the food. He also give us some antibiotics "Amoksiklav" 0,2ml to be given every 12 hours. For her eyes he give us antiseptic: Hibiscrub.

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    The vet wants to try to stabilize her a little with food and drugs and then to make blood tests.
     
  4. Apr 16, 2018 at 5:21 PM #24

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    Are there some tests that can detect PM? I calk with the vet to prioritize them.
     
  5. Apr 16, 2018 at 8:28 PM #25

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    Blood tests and x-rays can help diagnose, but clinical signs are usually a pretty good indicator of PT. If your vet wants to do one test first, I'd say an x-ray would probably be best.
     
  6. Apr 17, 2018 at 2:51 PM #26

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    Wheel barrow test for clinical signs are what most vets use. An xray won't help. the tumor is nestled against the brain when symptoms show up. I have necropsy pics of PT but I won't share them here. They can try the standard neuro test of curling a foot/ toes under and a normal rat/dog/cat will promptly stand up properly. A neuro animal will stay knuckled over. You might want to mention bromocriptine as a possible PT treatment but bromo only works on prolactinoma's though which is why its always paired with steroids initially. How much has your rat regressed?

    DO NOT use Hibiscrub on the eyes!! They all warn not to get it INTO the eye. Try water or if you must isotonic (same saline content as body) to wipe the mucky eyes.
     
  7. Apr 17, 2018 at 3:01 PM #27

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    How much does your lass weigh now? I am trying to double check your Clavamox dosage. Your Clav is 31.25 mg/ml but I need a weight to make sure her dose is correct. Unfortunately clavamox is not effective on mycoplasmosis but is good for most other structural infections and secondary respiratory infections.
     
  8. Apr 17, 2018 at 11:05 PM #28

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    A steroid (such as prednisone) + an antibiotic (such as baytril given orally) are usually given for neurological issues. With pt, as lilspaz68 mentioned, bromocriptine or cabergoline can help in addition to the steroid + antibiotic if the pt is prolactinoma. Cabergoline is more expensive but is taken less frequently, and is a bit more effective and seems to be better tolerated by rats. Info is on the ratguide.
     
  9. Apr 18, 2018 at 5:20 PM #29

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    I don't have time to read responses so sorry if this is a repeat. My girl who just passed this week was diagnosed with a PT in December. She was put on bromocriptine, prednisone, and baytril. She lived another four months and gained balance and wights. She would have these episodes where I thought I'd loose her but then she'd bounce back after three days and would be fine.

    Regarding her neck, my gosh, no vet should inject baytril if that was what was injected (you mentioned 'black spots').
     
  10. Apr 19, 2018 at 3:39 PM #30

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    I'm sorry you've been thru such an awful time with both your girl's problems and the vet 'care' she's received.
    I can't give better advice than you've received here, I just want to say you've been amazing parents all thru this, tenacious in doing Everything you can for her, even with a daunting lack of personal experience & proper vet care. She's a lucky girl, you're in my prayers.
     
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    Mishi is still alive. She was better for a day or two, but now for the last two day she is regressing again. She is still very weak so they were unable to take blood out of her to make the test. I am afraid she may not survive the night. I have talked with the vets to check this tread and read what all you guys have suggested. Thank you, everyone, for your support and ideas.
     
  12. Apr 19, 2018 at 9:12 PM #32

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    Hoping that she'll make it through the night and that she can start taking steroids quickly!
     
  13. Apr 20, 2018 at 9:55 PM #33

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    I hope she is still with you and that she is soon feeling much better
     

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