The buck who wouldnt breed...

minnieflower said:

I understand that this is a rescue forum. I did not respond with an attitude I'm just stating that what people do in their own homes isn't anyones business if it doesn't involve them. She isn't adding more lives if she keeps every baby. If she left a random intact male with a female then yes that is irresponsible. I wasn't responding to that. Maybe you should check your attitude and realize this is the internet and tone cannot be shown through text.

I don't breed and never will, but if someone is breeding for their self and keeping the offspring to improve the species I have no problem with that. Not everyone wants to rescue for various reasons. I don't know much about her breedings but I think we should maybe let people respond before jumping to conclusions.

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We do not support breeders on here, yet alone one who has been around acting like a rescue then allows this to happen. They are not improving a thing, they are adding to the over population problem that is already there. wake up.

Canarats said:

There is no need to be vicious to a fellow rescuer for expressing an opinion. Of those 13 rats I adopted from Animal Services, Donna and Minnieflower were the only ones who gave a hoot .



Its Charlotte. No one was offered any rats from me, or ever will be. Please reference me which rule I broke from your list thankyou and I will try to avoid it in future

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We are not even in the same boat. So do to put yourself in that boat with me. You see I rescue and I am not breeding. Just because a person claims they are a rescue, does not mean they should or actually are.

From your facebook page for your RATTERy

Emer Gent Rattery Emer Gent Rattery 1st litter from ER's "buck who wouldn't breed" ...5 gi-normous pinkies who started opening eyes and furring almost a week before normal. They're powerfully strong, and could hang from my finger by few days old

So explain why you need a fb page for a rattery? If you are just breeding pets?


You also have adoption guidelines on your webpage? Do you fill them out for yourself since you are not adopting them out?

Canarats said:

Since the sweet, innocent thread of my beautiful PET rats has already been disrespected and sullied in a way I would never do to anyone else, I would like it be known that Jorats once had the honor of an adopted rat from me. I kept it secret because of the adopted child and great rescue things she was doing, but since ppl r taking kindness for blindness, truth is the best policy.

I now have 11 rats in my care from a recent trip to Animal Services (13 before Minnieflower helped) that do not feed, cage, clean or socialize themselves. Can I ask the rest of you...what have *you done lately?

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I am kinda shocked they just hand those rats out to anyone with out checking first.

minnieflower said:

I'm honestly not in on the rescye vs breeder fight because I have rescue friends and breeder friends. Both care very much for their rats and are great people. I just believe in letting people explain themselves before attacking.

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Then do not bring it to a rescue forum that does not support breeding at all. There is no suitable explaination. See above how she posted her first litter about this poor boy.

Canarats said:

Since the sweet, innocent thread of my beautiful PET rats has already been disrespected and sullied in a way I would never do to anyone else, I would like it be known that Jorats once had the honor of an adopted rat from me. I kept it secret because of the adopted child and great rescue things she was doing, but since ppl r taking kindness for blindness, truth is the best policy.

I now have 11 rats in my care from a recent trip to Animal Services (13 before Minnieflower helped) that do not feed, cage, clean or socialize themselves. Can I ask the rest of you...what have *you done lately?

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We all know about the rat that Jorats bought from you waay back before this forum was even begun, there's no secret to be kept. I have bought rats from petstores before I knew better but never again

Anyone can do what they want in RL but posting about breeding on a RESCUE forum while living and knowing you live in an over-saturated rescue rat area is disrespectful.

As for what we have done lately?

I took in 22 rats (3 adults, 19 babies)and a mouse that were going to be snake food, these turned into 33 babies from back to back litters that I would've prevented if I could have but both young moms were nursing. I take in damaged souls, injured and sick rats owners cannot take care of or give vet care for...I do not expect adulation for doing these things, I go without myself many times to make sure these unfortunate souls have what they need. That's what *I* have done lately.

Canarats said:

Since the sweet, innocent thread of my beautiful PET rats has already been disrespected and sullied in a way I would never do to anyone else, I would like it be known that Jorats once had the honor of an adopted rat from me. I kept it secret because of the adopted child and great rescue things she was doing, but since ppl r taking kindness for blindness, truth is the best policy.

I now have 11 rats in my care from a recent trip to Animal Services (13 before Minnieflower helped) that do not feed, cage, clean or socialize themselves. Can I ask the rest of you...what have *you done lately?

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Are you kidding me? I've never kept that a secret. EVER. I purchased a rat from you and two from a Barrie breeder back in 2004 because I was going to breed. That is NO secret. I tell everyone I know when I speak of my past. After doing some research, I decided it was not in the best interest of rats in my area for me to breed. I then decided to rescue. In 2007, I created this forum to help rescue rats. Everyone who knows me, knows this already. And as for your name, it was Charlie back in the day. Sorry.

First of all a person isn't adding to the population if they aren't giving away babies. I also saw the rattery page and it looked to me like it was made years ago, not sure though.

I understand this forum doesn't support breeders and breeding shouldn't be posted here, but everyone started their negative comments before we even knew these were intentionally bred. They could've been rescues for all we know. I assumed they were.

Also compaing your good deeds is pretty ridiculous. All rescues do great things for rats. It doesn't matter if you rescue 2 or 50, it's done for the rats not so people know you're great lol. We should be talking and supporting eachother not comparing rescues.

And that last bit of comment was toward all of you, I'm not taking sides. We shouldn't attack other rescues and we shouldn't have to answer to anyone about the good things we've done.

minnieflower said:

And that last bit of comment was toward all of you, I'm not taking sides. We shouldn't attack other rescues and we shouldn't have to answer to anyone about the good things we've done.

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She's NOT a real rescue though. And if you are going to breed for the betterment of the species that is great I'm all for it. If you are going to rescue, that great too but you cannot do both. Pick one and put yourself 100% into it.

Minnie there is history here you are picking up on.

minnieflower said:

First of all a person isn't adding to the population if they aren't giving away babies. I also saw the rattery page and it looked to me like it was made years ago, not sure though.

I understand this forum doesn't support breeders and breeding shouldn't be posted here, but everyone started their negative comments before we even knew these were intentionally bred. They could've been rescues for all we know. I assumed they were.

Also compaing your good deeds is pretty ridiculous. All rescues do great things for rats. It doesn't matter if you rescue 2 or 50, it's done for the rats not so people know you're great lol. We should be talking and supporting eachother not comparing rescues.

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She new better than to bring this here, you should know better than to try to bump heads with us when we are putting out foot down to ignorant breeding.

Any other questions about these bred babies I can assist you with today?


She isnt a rescue, a rescue wouldnt do this.

So dont call her what she isnt but you can call her a byb if you would like.

Now that I see her photo, wasn't she just trying to find homes for a bunch of (nakies I think) from Florida a year or so ago?? That or get them transported to Texas maybe???

Found it http://www.ratshackforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30151&highlight=canarats

First of all who do you think you are telling me I should know better? You are not above anyone here, I will say what I want whenever I want and I don't have to agree with you, thanks.

I was told she was a "real" rescue. So I assumed she was since from what I've seen and was told she helps out shelters and rescues a lot. I don't care if I was mislead, theres no excuse for your attitude, grow up.

lilspaz68 said:

She's NOT a real rescue though. And if you are going to breed for the betterment of the species that is great I'm all for it. If you are going to rescue, that great too but you cannot do both. Pick one and put yourself 100% into it.

Minnie there is history here you are picking up on.

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I had no idea about any of this. I just went off hat I was told and she seemed like a real rescue? I don't know about the history you guys are talking about but I was under the impression that she rarely breeds and breeds for herself. That's what I was told, I assumed she was being honest with me.

minnieflower said:

And that last bit of comment was toward all of you, I'm not taking sides. We shouldn't attack other rescues and we shouldn't have to answer to anyone about the good things we've done.

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'and I will compare all day long. I am honest with every thing that happens here, I share the love, the hurt and the joy. She does not. Have you seen the vet bills?


We have adopted out 100 rats now, 2 have came back, that is it.

here is what we spent last year, to save these lives.

Year to date total- $10,116.72
Year to date donation $4929.67

minnieflower said:

First of all who do you think you are telling me I should know better? You are not above anyone here, I will say what I want whenever I want and I don't have to agree with you, thanks.

I was told she was a "real" rescue. So I assumed she was since from what I've seen and was told she helps out shelters and rescues a lot. I don't care if I was mislead, theres no excuse for your attitude, grow up.

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Actually I am a moderator, SO it is my job to make sure we are not following some "special circumstances" breeding. That wont fly here. I stated this you brought it upon your "senior" member self to start arguing with this. You should of walked away instead of sticking your nose into a thread when it didnt belong there. You started arguing here defending her, THIs should be saved for the charlie support breeding group not a rescue forum.

And again you should know better, you did this once before coming at me with your little debate gear. This isnt a college debate team, you dont have choices, you have rules to follow. If you cannot do that, then by all means, do not post.

I dont care if you are naive enough to support her, let her pull the wool over your eyes. When we say no, it is dead in the water, not a debate for you to start defending her.

minnieflower said:

I had no idea about any of this. I just went off hat I was told and she seemed like a real rescue? I don't know about the history you guys are talking about but I was under the impression that she rarely breeds and breeds for herself. That's what I was told, I assumed she was being honest with me.

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You should do a little more research before you start going on about it then. You do not under any circumstances, start defending a breeder who bred an older rat by the litter size.

Lol I don't care about your vet bills, I have my own. I wasn't aware of the entire situation and you as a Mod could've simply said there is more to the story and I would have backed off. But instead you chose to act all high and mighty with your quite nasty attitude.

My senior member self? So it's a thing to try and belittle peoole here? What a great mod you are lol And yes the last time I recall is when a member purposely brought a lone girl to live by herself because the adopter liked nakies. But that's old news.

I did do research the only posts I saw from her were rescue posts and nobody seemed to have a problem with her. You also can't tell the age of a rat by it's litter size. I'm sorry for being a rational person and not assuming the worst of someone when there's no information given.

I'm not here to defend her or other breeders, I just don't attack people before knowing enough about the situation.

minnieflower said:

Lol I don't care about your vet bills, I have my own. I wasn't aware of the entire situation and you as a Mod could've simply said there is more to the story and I would have backed off. But instead you chose to act all high and mighty with your quite nasty attitude.

My senior member self? So it's a thing to try and belittle peoole here? What a great mod you are lol And yes the last time I recall is when a member purposely brought a lone girl to live by herself because the adopter liked nakies. But that's old news.

I did do research the only posts I saw from her were rescue posts and nobody seemed to have a problem with her. You also can't tell the age of a rat by it's litter size. I'm sorry for being a rational person and not assuming the worst of someone when there's no information given.

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You are far from rational little one. You are the one who began this by defending her when we all new better. We dont make comments randomly. How about your learn to respect when we say this wont happen here... You may want to understand that we in fact know a bit more about most of these people than your blinders will allow you to see.
You are the one who started belittling, not me. Remember "who do I think I am?" Well I am simply reminding you, since you fail to see you are one who posts and defend breeders and we are here to make sure that will not happen on this forum. You are also the one who is continually coming here and running that pretty little mouth of yours to a moderator.
She gave rats up, couldn't afford the meds, she rarely seems to be able to. I can remember her handing rats over she couldnt afford. Funny thing is, most breeders and rescue mixes wont pay for vetting. They do not spay or neuter or do anything that they should be promoting. All the vet stuff should all be out in the open, I have all of mine posted. Where is hers? Because she rarely seems to have meds when she needs it.

Honey you haven't seen attitude yet. Keep coming at me and see what attitude you find. You have two strikes already... Do you want to keep it up? One more outburst from you and I will see about blocking and banning your IP along with locking this thread. so you may want to consider yourself on thin Ice, that is who I am.

minnieflower said:

I'm not here to defend her or other breeders, I just don't attack people before knowing enough about the situation.

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Dont back step now, you already did defend her, remember what she does with her pets in her house isn't our business? Can you possibly make up your mind?