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They said that, as far as they know they've been together their whole lives. You can see by the way they interact that they're definitely close. But the shelter doesn't have too many details, because someone left them outside of the doors at night while the shelter was closed, and the staff arrived to find them the next morning.


It is not a matter if they have been together their whole lives or not. They are assuming they have no clue. They could have a level of fear from the shelter, Animals are always different in there than at home. You cannot possible watch them 24/7 to ensure he does not get killed. They could get into a more quiet home and fight. Male mice fight their own brothers who they were raised with. It is not smart to keep a rat and mouse together for any reason. I am just dumbfounded this conversation is happening. The responsible thing to do is to split them up, an irresponsible fool put them together it does not make it ok :(
 
Ohhhkay, so. I went and picked them up today. After everyone's opinions here, and from others on different rat/mouse groups in facebook, along with those on a mouse forum, the consensus was that they're better off separated. So the rat is currently in a travel cage, settling in until I can split the DCN in half and house him on the bottom. Then I'll start slow intros with my boys.

As for the mouse, it's not a male. The mouse is a female, and is VERY round. And she has pretty defined nipples. I think she's pregnant. But who knows, she may just be chubby from eating the wrong food, but I'm playing it safe. Right now, she's also in a travel container, while I set up an aquarium for her, with ample bedding and hides for her to have her babies in peace, if she does have them. She's skittish, and will sniff my fingers, but doesn't like being touched or held. That's just fine, I don't mind if she doesn't like being handled, I just want her to be safe.

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Thank you for splitting them up. Chances are the fool dumped them together even not being together for long term prior:( She looks like she will have babies and the boys we had made it to about 8 weeks when they started fighting to the death so you maybe able to leave the boys together for a little while but you will have to be prepared to split all the boys up into singles. You can get asf's from what heard to house with them if you really want them to have friends later. Her being possible pregnant only shows that that rat was not with her long term they got lucky is all. People throw animals in anything to dump them. They dont care they if they are pairs or not. Trey lost his leg to a dump like this and the last boy 3 boys we picked up they paired the baby wth a mouse. I split them up taking the rat with me. Even if they did get along if the rat got stuck and lashed out and bit which they do he would be a goner. IT is just sad that some individual did that to begin with it is so dangerous for so many reason :( WE have a few groups of mice and they are not so friendly to friends. Intro's are hard and they can be little buttheads.
 
That's what I'm thinking. Someone must have tossed them together, and dropped them at the shelter. And the fear of everything going on most likely kept them from hurting eachother, and they stuck together because they felt a bit safer. And thank you for the info, I've been reading up on it a lot, and hopefully if she is pregnant, then her litter will be small, and mostly girls. Everyone please keep your fingers crossed for a small, all girl litter. I'm still hoping that maybe since they've been eating garbage food, she's just chunky. But I'm researching mouse litters anywho.
 
They were only at the shelter for a few days, and their gestation period is usually 18-20 days. Like rats, they gain a whole bunch of weight and balloon out about 3 days before popping, and usually look like they swallowed a ping pong ball, so I'll be on the look out for that.
 
Oh wow, good luck Kat! I love Burton's name. And he really is totally irresistable with that lovely kind face. The mouse is such a pretty little chunk. The biggest I've ever seen! If anyone can handle this, it's you :)
 
Welp, there's been one name change, and one name decided! Burton didn't quite fit our ratty man. Our star crossed "lovers" who had to be separated are named Sid (rat) and Nancy (Mouse) after Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols, and his girlfriend Nancy Spungen.

Nancy still isn't letting me handle her, but there is slow progress! She'll come out of her igloo to greet me when I talk to her, and she'll sniff my fingers and linger next to them a little bit longer every day. Even if she never quite likes being held, I'd like to get her to the point where I can pet her, and give her affection. She's so cute, I love her little face, I just want to smooch it! And I picked up a wheel for her the other day, she loves it!

Sid, meanwhile, has been set up in his SCN today. He's been doing laps around the cage, I don't think he's ever had access to so much room, haha. And he LOVES ping pong balls! Most of my other boys will swat them around every so often, or put them in the food bowl :roll: but Sid holds them in his mouth while he runs, and swats at them and pounces on them. It's so sweet, I'm so glad to see him so happy.
 
I love the image of Sid doing laps with a ping pong ball in his mouth! LOL
I hope Nancy keeps warming up to you. Who knows if she has ever been handled before in a kind manner.
 
Okay, so, update time. Sid and Nancy lived apart for 2 weeks. In that time, at first everything was new and exciting, and the first few days they enjoyed exploring their new, separate homes. After the novelty of everything wore off, they both slowed down a super lot. Nancy wouldn't leave her igloo for anything, not to even run on a wheel, and Sid retreated to the back corner of his cage, where he would lay there all day and refuse to move. Both of them stopped eating. I began to panic. I decided to let them have a supervised play time, and both of them perked up so much, it broke my heart. Nancy ran to Sid and crawled underneath him, Sid groomed her all over and curled his whole body around her. I let them interact for an hour, before separating them, thinking maybe I'd just let them have supervised play times daily. When I took Nancy away, Sid went nuts. He started tearing apart his cage, digging up the fleece and flipping everything over, sniffing everywhere. He was obviously looking for her. Nancy retreated back to her igloo and refused to come out again. After an hour, Sid gave up, went back to his corner, and laid back down, and continued to refuse to eat until the next day, when I let Nancy visit him again. This time they both went into his house, and he pushed his fleece scraps in front of the opening, I think to try and keep me out. They stayed in there for a half hour, and just slept, cuddled up together (It's a transparent purple plastic igloo, I could see them inside) Afterwards, Sid came out, grabbed a ping pong ball, a jingly cat ball, and a few pieces of food, and tucked them in there with Nancy, then pushed the fleece back inside of the door way. He sat outside the igloo and stared at me. I think he knew I was going to be taking her away soon, and he was trying to stop me. I pet his ears, and he relaxed a bit, but tensed every time I tried to touch the igloo. He wasn't being aggressive, just obviously upset.

I decided separating them wasn't working. Since they've been back together, they've been doing so much better. They do literally everything together. They eat at the same time, play together (Sid is really gentle with her, it's endearing), groom themselves at the same time (Then Nancy grooms Sid's back for him, since he can't reach) and sleep together. If Nancy gets nervous, she runs to Sid, and he protects her. Since they've been together, Nancy has been running on her wheel again, and exploring, instead of shutting herself in her igloo. Both of them have started to trust me more, if Nancy sees Sid sniffing my fingers, she comes over and checks me out too. If Sid crawls up my arm, so does Nancy. I think he's going to help her get better associated with me.

After witnessing how attached they are, I don't think it's fair to try and keep them apart. I know some of you are going to think I'm making a bad decision, but I can't let them suffer like that, they were seriously dying of heart break. It's an odd situation, and I would never, ever condone putting a rat and mouse together, but these two seem to be an exception to the rule.

Here are a few pictures of them together.

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There's always an exception to the rules! They sound precious.. I would completely trust your decision here as I know you'd NEVER do anything that wasn't in an animals best interest.
 
I think you did everything right... you separated them because it was logical to but in the end it just wasn't what worked.
It makes me think of those shows called like "unusual animal friends" I think?
Anyway I'm glad that they are happy, they sure are amazingly cute!
 
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